In the early rounds of analysis after the Civil Forum, commentators were already drawing differences between the two presidential candidates’ answers to the same questions. As the day has gone on, they’re sharpening their focus on those differences.
USAToday asked five religion and ethics experts to watch the forum and comment afterward on what they heard. In the earlier edition, this is what they said:
The presidential candidates took very different approaches to the same set of questions by Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Community Church in Lake Forest, Calif., and author of the mega-selling Bible study book, The Purpose-Driven Life.
The differences showed up most sharply in questions related to abortion. When Warren asked when life and human rights begin, McCain’s succinct reply, “At conception,” and mention of his pro-life voting track record were greeted with some of the loudest applause of the evening.
Obama’s pro-choice stance and flippant language were not.
“Whether you’re looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective,” Obama said, “answering that question with specificity is above my pay grade.”
“Obama will be ‘hammered by the religious right’ for that ‘pay grade’ answer,” says Rabbi James Rudin of New York City, former Interreligious Affairs director for the American Jewish Committee. Rudin was one of five religion and ethics experts asked by USA TODAY to observe the forum broadcast.
Msgr. Francis Maniscalco, former spokesman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and now public policy director for the diocese of Rockville Centre, N.Y., the nation’s sixth largest Catholic diocese, called the comment a “dodge that wasn’t even intellectually respectable.”
Now this is interesting…
However, R. Alta Charo, a professor of law and ethics at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, pointed out that Obama’s position has been law since the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision. It “specifically says that neither biologists nor doctors nor theologians can agree upon the moral status of the fetus.”
But since there is “absolute certainty that the woman herself does have moral status, then the conservative thing to do is to protect the woman’s interests first,” the court concluded.
McCain’s statement that human rights attach at conception “still does not answer the question of what to do when there is a conflict with the rights of the woman,” Charo says.
Actually, it pretty much does.Â Furthermore, the notion ofÂ the unborn child inÂ “conflict with the rights of the woman” is manufactured by the abortion industry.
She also sees inconsistency between McCain’s conservative views on when life begins and his support of embryonic stem cell research, which many conservative Christians oppose.
That part is true. Now there’s a conflict.Â
“If he believes in human rights at the moment of conception, then he ought to be against embryonic stem cell research, IVF and even the so-called ‘rhythm method.’ ” which has the effect of timing intercourse not only to prevent conception, but also to allow conception at a time when the fertilized egg will drop into a uterus that is not at the right time of month for implantation.”
I read that sentence three times beforeÂ giving up on figuring out what the writer was trying to say. Break it down by parts.
The “rhythm method” has not been so-called for decades. The Catholic Church has evolved that understanding into the teaching of “Natural Family Planning (NFP)”. It does use the natural cycle of a woman’s body to determineÂ fertility to avoid ‘the marital act’ at that timeÂ to prevent conception.
But….what’s the rest of this?Â
…”also to allow conception at a time when the fertilized egg will drop into a uterus that is not at the right time of month for implantation.”
That makes no sense whatsoever.
Which is probably why that part of the quote got dropped in this later edition of the USA Today article that turned up in the afternoon.
So did the remark that McCain’s pro-life responses “were greeted with some of the loudest applause of the evening.”
So did the lineÂ that “Obama’s pro-choice stance and flippant language were not.”
If you read them both, you’ll find other things they dropped in the second version. Like the quote from Monsignor Francis Maniscalco that not only wasÂ Warren’s question about Jesus appropriate,Â it would be “odd not to ask” the candidates about their belief in Christ (after all, both men are Christians). Msgr. Maniscalco said: “After all, if you are going to talk to someone about religion, you’d be interested to know their thoughts about the central figure in their religion.”
It would be interesting to know why USAÂ Today edited that story significantly.